NEW YORK -- The NHL wants to see everything put in writing. With negotiations on a new collective bargaining agreement seemingly at a stalemate, the league met with the NHL Players Association on Monday night and requested that the union put all of its desires together into one complete offer. "Its our position that weve made a couple comprehensive proposals in a row," said deputy commissioner Bill Daly. "Wed like to know where they are on all of the issues. We asked them to think about putting together a comprehensive proposal for us to consider. ... "Weve never heard a full proposal from them." The unions response should dictate if the sides will formally start negotiating their way through the key issues. A source close to the negotiations says there now seems to be a sense of urgency coming from the players and indications are the NHLPA is preparing a series of "give and take" proposals. If the NHLPAs series of proposals materializes and addresses some concerns, talks on contract issues will pick up. Donald Fehr, the NHLPAs executive director, was guarded with his comments coming out of the Monday evening session he initiated. He indicated the leagues request would be taken into consideration and said "its more likely than not" the sides will meet again Tuesday. It was unclear whether he would table a new proposal that covers the split of revenue, player contract rights and how the damage caused by the lockout will be paid for. "I dont really know what to expect," said Daly. "We asked, I certainly hope its something theyll consider. I think thats something theyre deliberating on." With frustration building and the lockout dragging into its ninth week, the sides have struggled to find a way forward in negotiations. Fehr and commissioner Gary Bettman discussed the possibility of taking a break from talks last week, but Fehr thought it would be best if the sides continued to meet. However, after requesting Mondays meeting the union didnt arrive with a new offer. Instead, Fehr was hoping to engage the league in a discussion on core economics and player contract issues. "We could have taken a couple weeks off, I suppose," he said. "Its hard for me to see how you make an agreement if you arent talking and so you talk. Sometimes it doesnt lead anywhere, perhaps very often it doesnt lead anywhere, but if you arent talking its 100 per cent sure it doesnt lead anywhere." Neither side has demonstrated a willingness to start trading concessions at the bargaining table. While the union maintains the gap on economic issues isnt very wide, the league isnt quite so sure. The NHL is asking for a straight 50-50 split of revenues while the NHLPA has proposed seeing the players share jump in fixed increments of 1.75 per cent each season starting from the $1.883-billion they took in last year. That offer didnt include the mechanism that would be used to account for the reduced revenue generated during a shortened 2012-13 season. "They are trying to suggest to us that were a lot closer than we think we are," said Daly. "So, if theyre at $1.9-whatever billion, I think we calculated it as 65 per cent of (hockey related revenue) this year. Obviously, that would be a long way from 50 per cent. "We want to see if they can wrap something up and give it to us." The league is also looking for changes to rules governing entry-level deals, contract lengths and arbitration. On Monday night, Fehr presented details of a proposal designed to penalize teams who sign players to front-loaded, long-term contracts in the event they retire early -- an area the NHL could have interest in. With talks resuming for the first time since Nov. 11 and the league expected to cancel more regular-season games this week, there was no shortage of interest in the process. Eighteen players attended the session, including highly-paid veterans Vincent Lecavalier, Martin St. Louis, Brad Richards and Shawn Horcoff. Each of those players has already lost one season of his career to the 2004-05 lockout. "Players are very interested and we tell anybody that wants to come they can come and Im glad to have all of them," said Fehr. "I think its a reflection of how interested and involved the players are." Members of the union have taken public shots at the NHLs leadership in recent days. On Monday afternoon, Florida Panthers forward Kris Versteeg invoked strong language while suggesting Bettman and Daly should be fired during an interview on TSN Radio 1050. "Youve got to look for the cancers and youve got to cut out the cancers," said Versteeg. "I think when you look at Bill Daly and Gary Bettman theyve been looting this game for far too long." That came just days after Detroit Red Wings defenceman Ian White told reporters that he thinks Bettman is an "idiot." However, Daly doesnt think those comments are hurting the negotiations. "I dont think either Gary or I take those personally," he said. "(We) understand theres a lot of frustration in this process. Im frustrated in terms of being where we are and not playing hockey. "I think thats just human nature." Cheap Jerseys China . 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Sources told The Canadian Press that the NHL responded to a pair of union proposals on Thursday and one suggested it was a good sign the sides still planned to keep negotiating. On Wednesday night, the NHLPA tabled new offers regarding revenue sharing and the leagues "make whole" provision, with the union suggesting a system where the players share in revenue reaches 50-50 in the third year of the deal. That still amounts to a major financial concession -- as much as $1 billion over the course of the deal -- from the current split of 57-43 in favour of the players. As a result, the NHLPA is asking for an improved revenue sharing system and isnt eager to see changes made to rules governing contracts, many of which were won in the last round of negotiations. Bettman and Donald Fehr, the NHLPAs executive director, were extremely careful not to reveal much about discussions after meeting for more than five hours on Thursday. "Im not going to characterize (the talks) except to say, as I have before, that its always better when youre meeting than when youre not," said Fehr. With all regular-season games cancelled through Nov. 30, negotiations have reached a critical and delicate stage. Ten days will be needed from the time an agreement is struck until the season starts and there is still hope among the parties that a shortened schedule could begin by Dec. 1. For that to happen, signs of progress need to emerge soon -- something neither side is entirely sure will happen. "Collective bargaining is a process and it has peaks and valleys and ebbs and flows and its very tough to handicap," said Bettman. The underground meetings became slightly more publicc on Thursday, when reporters managed to track the sides down at the midtown Manhattan offices of Proskauer Rose.dddddddddddd Thats the law firm that employs NHL lead counsel Bob Batterman and it is located across the street from the office building where the 2004-05 CBA was hammered out. With negotiations taking on a more urgent nature, the sides have completely turned down the rhetoric. Fehr indicated it was important not to comment on what was being discussed because so much information is now being traded back and forth across the table. It was one issue where the sides had already found agreement. "Im not going to discuss the negotiations or the substance of what were talking about," said Bettman. "I really dont think that would be helpful for the process." The commissioner was speaking only a few blocks from Madison Square Garden, where the Rangers had originally been scheduled to face the Minnesota Wild in one of 11 games scheduled for Thursday night. Interestingly, a key gap that remains between the sides is figuring out how contracts can be "made whole" now that a full season wont be played. Players were paid $1.833-billion out of the $3.3-billion generated in revenue last year, but the overall pot is bound to shrink now that a shortened schedule is the best-case scenario for 2012-13. Despite not seeing eye-to-eye on the important issues, the key negotiators seem intent on trying to hammer out a deal. They have met for a total of about 25 hours over the last week, starting with an informal eight-hour session between deputy commissioner Bill Daly and NHLPA special counsel Steve Fehr in Chicago on Saturday. Larger groups that included owners and players spent more than 17 hours at the bargaining table over the last three days. Both sides have cleared their schedules -- Daly cancelled an appearance at Parliament Hill in Ottawa on Thursday -- and theyll continue to do so as long as there is some momentum to be found in negotiations. With the lockout approaching eight weeks, there is a possibility they might continue negotiating right through the weekend. "Were in a process now with a series of meetings," said Bettman. "Hopefully, it leads us to the right place." ' ' '